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  From:  Rtartan   2/7/2002 10:58 am  
To:  Sassy (SirsSojourn)   (2 of 65)  
 
  309.2 in reply to 309.1  
 
Hmmmm. 
This sounds like a reasonable request.
 
  
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  From:  karen (karen10051)   2/7/2002 12:38 pm  
To:  Rtartan   (3 of 65)  
 
  309.3 in reply to 309.2  
 
It'll never happen.


  
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    2/7/2002 4:08 pm  
To:  karen (karen10051)   (4 of 65)  
 
  309.4 in reply to 309.3  
 
Hi Karen, 

 

Very good!

 

You are very, bright and perceptive.

 

And yes, I do think it should remain closed on this forum.

 

Sorry the forum has to be run by somebody and it is not a Democracy.

 

BTW Just Curious if anyone knows the difference between a Democracy and a Republic and if anyone knows if the U.S.A. is a Democracy or a Republic.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  karen (karen10051)   2/7/2002 4:27 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (5 of 65)  
 
  309.5 in reply to 309.4  
 
***Very good! 

You are very, bright and perceptive.*** 
Um...would that be sarcasm David? Coz that would be most unchristian of you.



  
  
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  From:  Rtartan   2/7/2002 4:59 pm  
To:  karen (karen10051)   (6 of 65)  
 
  309.6 in reply to 309.5  
 
Well, actually, Saint Paul used sarcasm a bit so it COULD be Christian...if it were being used appropriately.... 
Of course, as we have seen, Biblical authority isn't what this group seems to be about, so that is why your thread tended to generate mainly emotional responses. All we would tend to get on a poll is emotion driven votes. 

BTW, were you going to take me up on my dare? <VBG> 

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  From:  Rtartan   2/7/2002 5:02 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (7 of 65)  
 
  309.7 in reply to 309.4  
 
Representative Republic. 
The only place direct democracy tends to take place is in small New England Town meetings.
 
  
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  From:  Jim (pentitent)    2/7/2002 6:28 pm  
To:  ALL   (8 of 65)  
 
  309.8 in reply to 309.6  
 
Actually, there are some here that claim no one wants to discuss the Bible, but David has made it more than clear that this post is here to discuss God's Word! Your opinions, however, of DD are not proven by the Bible, so why continue this? The statements about DD are non-biblical, so I agree! Let's discuss something that is in the Bible, not that which we would like to be in the Bible {Although I really don't see beating your wife being very Christ-like, or any Christian wanting this!} If indeed, those of you that want to continue discussing something as unbiblical as this; then why don't you get Karen to take you to the Christian wife beating site she has been talking about? As the following verse states, our God saves us from violence; He doesn't promote it. 
2 Samuel 22:3  The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence. 

Our God hates violence, so how could He possibly command hitting your wife? 

Psalms 11:5  The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. 

And the following are just a few of the many verses that all say that violence resides in the wicked, not the righteous. A righteous man has no reason to hit a Godly wife. And if she's not Godly, then whipping her isn't going to make her that way. 

Psalms 58:2 Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth. 

Psalms 73:6 Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain; violence covereth them as a garment. 

Proverbs 4:17 For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence. 

Proverbs 10:6 Blessings are upon the head of the just: but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked. 

Proverbs 10:11 The mouth of a righteous man is a well of life: but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked. 

Violent acts are of the Devil, not God. Best to dwell on important Godly things, than secular fetishes we try to justify, so we can drag them into God's world with us. 


May God bless and keep you, my brothers and sisters! 

 
  
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  From:  Rtartan   2/7/2002 8:27 pm  
To:  Jim (pentitent)    (9 of 65)  
 
  309.9 in reply to 309.8  
 
You are, in effect reopening a closed post. 
Otherwise I would be happy to, line by line, thoroughly deconstruct your reasoning.
 
  
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  From:  karen (karen10051)   2/8/2002 5:48 am  
To:  Jim (pentitent)    (10 of 65)  
 
  309.10 in reply to 309.8  
 
At least do me a favor...dont lie. Please. It weakens your arguement. 
There is a difference between beating and spanking and you know it. To present it that way when the other line is closed is taking a potshot at best and being dishonest at worst, and i dont appreciate you taking potshots at me. 

There is no such thing as a Christian wife-beating site and your rude comments towards me, when i didnt even start this thread, are uncalled for....OH, ok, maybe i misunderstood.....its ok to be rude and lie, right? 




  
  
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  From:  Rtartan   2/8/2002 7:00 am  
To:  karen (karen10051)   (11 of 65)  
 
  309.11 in reply to 309.10  
 
I am begining to believe that some so-called Christians here thing that lying and "non-thought" are virtues. 
  
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  From:  karen (karen10051)   2/8/2002 7:50 am  
To:  Rtartan   (12 of 65)  
 
  309.12 in reply to 309.11  
 
Well its absurd. I would really like David to address this...that even if we do not agree, there should be truth in posts and no personal attacks.


  
  
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  From:  karen (karen10051)   2/8/2002 8:35 am  
To:  Sassy (SirsSojourn)   (15 of 65)  
 
  309.15 in reply to 309.13  
 
I know Sojourn, did you read the original thread? It is just frustrating....


  
  
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  From:  Rtartan   2/8/2002 3:28 pm  
To:  karen (karen10051)   (16 of 65)  
 
  309.16 in reply to 309.12  
 
<s> 
Too bad that there is nobody to moderate the moderator..... 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    2/8/2002 3:34 pm  
To:  Rtartan   (17 of 65)  
 
  309.17 in reply to 309.16  
 
What's you point?


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  From:  Rtartan   2/8/2002 3:34 pm  
To:  Sassy (SirsSojourn)   (18 of 65)  
 
  309.18 in reply to 309.13  
 
If you were able to read the original thread, the only person who really engaged the ideas and discussed them rationally was Scott. 
He did not agree with me, but I felt that he made the attempt to understand where this was all coming from and going to. I respect well reasoned opposition far more than a person who mindlessly agrees with me. 

(Thank you Scott!) 

As for emotional reactions out of fear, this has been the norm rather than the exception for many issues. It is sad. 

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  From:  Rtartan   2/8/2002 3:35 pm  
To:  Sassy (SirsSojourn)   (19 of 65)  
 
  309.19 in reply to 309.14  
 
By the way, your graphics are very nice! 
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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    2/8/2002 3:35 pm  
To:  karen (karen10051)   (20 of 65)  
 
  309.20 in reply to 309.5  
 
Hi Karen,

 

No sarcasm, just an observation.

 

God Bless You,

David



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From:  David (DavidABrown)    2/8/2002 3:44 pm  
To:  Jim (pentitent)    (21 of 65)  
 
  309.21 in reply to 309.8  
 
Hi Pentitent,

 

It does look like you used this thread as an opportunity to get in one last cheep shot about a closed topic.

 

I hope that you will apologize, after all everyone did completely established where they stood on the issue and everyone knows that you disagreed so the added comment was not at all necessary, unless you are trying to keep that topic going.

 

I think we are all looking for an apology and really I would like to see the heat level turned down on the debates. People are going to disagree but lets not debate in an inferno.

 

Otherwise, when you stay on topic thanks for your input.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  Rtartan   2/8/2002 3:46 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (22 of 65)  
 
  309.22 in reply to 309.17  
 
>>What's you point?<< 
Simply that through the last thread you did no acquit yourself well, and in many other groups you would have at least ended up having your posts tightly scrutinized for content and tone. Some groups gag people for far less. 

You never had made a clean breast of it with Karen over some of your accusations to her. Nor have you retracted your statements to those of us on this side of "that debate that shall remained unmentioned," for some most unwarranted and most broad accusations. 

I am sure that you know the posts I am referring to and can supply the post numbers to any who might want to take note. 

You may not be happy with me, but right now, deep down, you know that I am correct. 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    2/8/2002 3:54 pm  
To:  Rtartan   (23 of 65)  
 
  309.23 in reply to 309.11  
 
Hi Rtartan,

 

Congratulations!!

 

Pledge of Allegiance:
I pledge alliance to the flag of the United States of America, 
and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

AWANA Pledge:
I pledge allegiance to the AWANA flag. Whose goal 
is to bring boys and girls to Christ and train them to serve Him.



The AWANA Pledge is a Bonus Prize!

 

Im impressed few people know that the U.S.A. is a Republic.

 

Now Im still waiting for the answer to the difference between a Republic and a Democracy.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  karen (karen10051)   2/8/2002 4:53 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (24 of 65)  
 
  309.24 in reply to 309.21  
 
David... 
Thank you. We all tried so hard to honor your wishes and not discuss it...I appreciate your stand on this matter.



  
  
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  From:  Jim (pentitent)    2/8/2002 7:23 pm  
To:  karen (karen10051)   (26 of 65)  
 
  309.26 in reply to 309.10  
 
There are no lies in my post. Violence is violence no matter how lovingly one trys to paint it.
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  From:  Jim (pentitent)    2/8/2002 7:27 pm  
To:  Sassy (SirsSojourn)   (27 of 65)  
 
  309.27 in reply to 309.14  
 
I have to disagree. It is unbiblical for Christians to ponder and discuss the possible allowance of anything unbiblical. And please point out where you think I lied in my post.
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  From:  Jim (pentitent)    2/8/2002 7:38 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (28 of 65)  
 
  309.28 in reply to 309.21  
 
My brother, I do humbly apologize for the remark about Karen and the wife beating forum. My apologies, Miss Karen. But everything else I said is Biblical or backed by the Bible. I will not apologize for Biblical truth. Actually, I would have never posted on this again, if they hadn't opened it back up. I would just as soon talk about salvation, endtimes [Because we are nearly there], or something that may affect our relationship with God.
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  From:  Jim (pentitent)    2/8/2002 7:48 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (29 of 65)  
 
  309.29 in reply to 309.23  
 
A republic is a political system governed by representatives the people appoint. 
A democracy is a political system governed by the people. 

Did I get it right????? 


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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    2/8/2002 7:56 pm  
To:  Jim (pentitent)    (30 of 65)  
 
  309.30 in reply to 309.28  
 
Hi,

 

Apology accepted, and by the way Im not asking you to apologize for standing on the word of God, you are Always Free to do that!

 

Lets all agree not to respond to this topic 

 

I look forward to further discussion particularly about end times as I know that we have a couple of different opinions in that area.

 

So on to friendly end times discussion it is.

 

God Bless You,

David 



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  From:  karen (karen10051)   2/9/2002 4:59 am  
To:  Jim (pentitent)    (32 of 65)  
 
  309.32 in reply to 309.28  
 
Apology accepted. Words hurt sometimes you know.


  
  
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  From:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    2/15/2002 9:17 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (33 of 65)  
 
  309.33 in reply to 309.4  
 

BTW Just Curious if anyone knows the difference between a Democracy and a Republic and if anyone knows if the U.S.A. is a Democracy or a Republic.
 

As you probably already know David, the U.S. is a "Democratic Republic" , not either of the two exclusively.

One example is the last election.  In a pure democracy (which never works for long) the popular vote wins, and in case of a tie there is usually some kind of sudden death vote to determine the winner.

But, our founding fathers were wise enough to make our government a "Democtaic Republic" ,and therefore we have an established means of settling things...and even overturning a popular vote.

That thing is called "The Electoral College" and is part of what has made the U.S. last as long as it has.

Without that...the U.S. would probably be history now.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can exist only until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess (defined as a liberal gift) out of the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a dictatorship."

-Alexander Fraser Tyler- (An 18th Century British Historian)

 



 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    2/15/2002 2:34 pm  
To:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    (34 of 65)  
 
  309.34 in reply to 309.33  
 
Excellent Input!

 

Im still looking for actual definitions of Republic and Democracy.

 

What are they?

 

This is just like discussing the Bible where people use many terms that have different meanings to others even though the words themselves have a very specific meaning.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  Jim (pentitent)    2/16/2002 4:22 pm  
To:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    (35 of 65)  
 
  309.35 in reply to 309.33  
 
Hi Joseph. I just wanted to ask you a question. Have you read everything on that God 6.0 Screensaver? You know it advocates Christians accepting homosexuality, right?
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  From:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    2/16/2002 5:59 pm  
To:  Jim (pentitent)    (36 of 65)  
 
  309.36 in reply to 309.35  
 

Hi Joseph. I just wanted to ask you a question. Have you read everything on that God 6.0 Screensaver? You know it advocates Christians accepting homosexuality, right?
 

Really?

Do ya think they're serious?

Shame on them...



 

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  From:  Jim (pentitent)    2/17/2002 11:15 am  
To:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    (37 of 65)  
 
  309.37 in reply to 309.36  
 
You sound like one who doesn't care what God says about Homosexuality? 

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  From:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    2/17/2002 12:19 pm  
To:  Jim (pentitent)    (38 of 65)  
 
  309.38 in reply to 309.37  
 

You sound like one who doesn't care what God says about Homosexuality? 


Well, I tried...to get you to catch on yourself without having to come out and make it obvious to everyone under the sun that you appear to be humor impaired.  It would have been much better if you had caught on to the joke all by yourself.

I guess that some people just don't catch on to humor and sarcasm as quickly as others.

It is a joke!

It is a sarcastic way of telling liberals that "Hey!...we found your god! The god that you've been telling us all about."

Any questions?




 

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"No, I do not claim to be a prophet. And, I am not having a persecution complex. Neither am I in emotional need of feeling persecuted. But, I have noticed one thing which I do have in common with the prophets, and apostles, and early Christians.

Throughout history God's true witnesses have been almost universally hated by all, with only a small percentage of the people recognizing their words as truly mirroring God's will. 

Those hating his words were in fact hating the will of God, and thus God Himself. True witnesses were almost universally spoken of by the people, with minor exceptions, as false prophets & liars. And, the general population considered their words akin to 'hate speech' with a complete lack of godly 'love'." (cf. Heb. 11:32-37)

I am constantly aware that I might myself be in error, but until I find scripture which voids my findings, I have no option but to speak God's word as I see it.

The big difference between myself and those who disagree with me on the scriptures is this: "I am desirous of searching the scriptures out to see if I am wrong, while all they want to do is call me names." "

That alone should give people a starting clue...now...instead of combing through a list of ad hominums to find the names you want to call me...read Acts 17:11...and follow through.

 
  
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  From:  Jim (pentitent)    2/17/2002 12:47 pm  
To:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    (39 of 65)  
 
  309.39 in reply to 309.38  
 
I went back to see what you were talking about. Yes it is being sarcastic. No, I personally don't see the humor in it. I see a blasphemous and blatant disregard for God, as in their attempt at sarcastic humor, they making light of God; and helping destroy the credibility of true Christians.
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   From:  Rtartan   2/17/2002 6:38 pm  
To:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    (40 of 65)  
 
  309.40 in reply to 309.38  
 
Ya know, the fact that he didn't "get this" really explains quite a bit about my past exchanges with him. 
I for one think that God 6.0 perfectly lampoons the current trends in evangelicalism. I hope other people "get it." 

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From:  Jim (pentitent)    2/17/2002 7:16 pm  
To:  Rtartan   (41 of 65)  
 
  309.41 in reply to 309.40  
 
So you believe God is to be made fun of?
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  From:  Jim (pentitent)    2/17/2002 7:18 pm  
To:  Rtartan   (42 of 65)  
 
  309.42 in reply to 309.40  
 
Maybe you can quote the scripture where Jesus says, "Thou shalt make fun of my Father" or "Thou shalt use my Father to make fun of others"?
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  From:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    2/17/2002 7:47 pm  
To:  Rtartan   (44 of 65)  
 
  309.44 in reply to 309.40  
 

Ya know, the fact that he didn't "get this" really explains quite a bit about my past exchanges with him. 
I for one think that God 6.0 perfectly lampoons the current trends in evangelicalism. I hope other people "get it." 


I guess that you realize that I agree...otherwise I wouldn't have it.

Some people have no sense of humor at all... :)



 

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"No, I do not claim to be a prophet. And, I am not having a persecution complex. Neither am I in emotional need of feeling persecuted. But, I have noticed one thing which I do have in common with the prophets, and apostles, and early Christians.

Throughout history God's true witnesses have been almost universally hated by all, with only a small percentage of the people recognizing their words as truly mirroring God's will. 

Those hating his words were in fact hating the will of God, and thus God Himself. True witnesses were almost universally spoken of by the people, with minor exceptions, as false prophets & liars. And, the general population considered their words akin to 'hate speech' with a complete lack of godly 'love'." (cf. Heb. 11:32-37)

I am constantly aware that I might myself be in error, but until I find scripture which voids my findings, I have no option but to speak God's word as I see it.

The big difference between myself and those who disagree with me on the scriptures is this: "I am desirous of searching the scriptures out to see if I am wrong, while all they want to do is call me names." "

That alone should give people a starting clue...now...instead of combing through a list of ad hominums to find the names you want to call me...read Acts 17:11...and follow through.

 
  
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  From:  Rtartan   2/17/2002 7:48 pm  
To:  Jim (pentitent)    (45 of 65)  
 
  309.45 in reply to 309.42  
 
Just for the Record, you have numerous instances in the bible of the Godly making fun of ungodly pracitces. 
Elijah and the prophets of Baal. 

The Jews changing the name of the Philisitnes god to Baalzeebub (Lord of the Flies) to mock them. 

Paul mocking the Corinthian Proverb that "All things are Lawful" as he was raking them over the coals for tollerating lawless behavior. 

These are but a few examples of the very thing that "God 6.0" is doing.
 
  
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  From:  Rtartan   2/17/2002 7:54 pm  
To:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    (46 of 65)  
 
  309.46 in reply to 309.44  
 

>><<< Ya know, the fact that he didn't "get this" really explains quite a bit about my past exchanges with him. 
I for one think that God 6.0 perfectly lampoons the current trends in evangelicalism. I hope other people "get it." >>><< 

<<I guess that you realize that I agree...otherwise I wouldn't have it. 

Some people have no sense of humor at all... :)>> 

That someone didn't laugh outloud I can understand. Frankly, it is too close to the truth that I observe, it is almost PAINFUL to read this. 

The fact that this guy just doesn't UNDERSTAND it scares me, and scares me badly. 





 
  
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  From:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    2/17/2002 7:57 pm  
To:  Jim (pentitent)    (47 of 65)  
 
  309.47 in reply to 309.39  
 

I went back to see what you were talking about. Yes it is being sarcastic. No, I personally don't see the humor in it. I see a blasphemous and blatant disregard for God, as in their attempt at sarcastic humor, they making light of God; and helping destroy the credibility of true Christians.
 

God and I are pretty good buddies and He assured me that it was OK with Him. I speak to Him several times a day, so I don't think He's changed His mind since I spoke to Him last.

If you got to know Him a little better He'd probably seem to be a much nicer God.

Give it a try...



 

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"No, I do not claim to be a prophet. And, I am not having a persecution complex. Neither am I in emotional need of feeling persecuted. But, I have noticed one thing which I do have in common with the prophets, and apostles, and early Christians.

Throughout history God's true witnesses have been almost universally hated by all, with only a small percentage of the people recognizing their words as truly mirroring God's will. 

Those hating his words were in fact hating the will of God, and thus God Himself. True witnesses were almost universally spoken of by the people, with minor exceptions, as false prophets & liars. And, the general population considered their words akin to 'hate speech' with a complete lack of godly 'love'." (cf. Heb. 11:32-37)

I am constantly aware that I might myself be in error, but until I find scripture which voids my findings, I have no option but to speak God's word as I see it.

The big difference between myself and those who disagree with me on the scriptures is this: "I am desirous of searching the scriptures out to see if I am wrong, while all they want to do is call me names." "

That alone should give people a starting clue...now...instead of combing through a list of ad hominums to find the names you want to call me...read Acts 17:11...and follow through.

 
  
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  From:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    2/17/2002 8:00 pm  
To:  Rtartan   (48 of 65)  
 
  309.48 in reply to 309.46  
 

The fact that this guy just doesn't UNDERSTAND it scares me, and scares me badly. 


I believe that we are coming to similar conclusions...let's see how he responds to my last reply. :)



 

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"No, I do not claim to be a prophet. And, I am not having a persecution complex. Neither am I in emotional need of feeling persecuted. But, I have noticed one thing which I do have in common with the prophets, and apostles, and early Christians.

Throughout history God's true witnesses have been almost universally hated by all, with only a small percentage of the people recognizing their words as truly mirroring God's will. 

Those hating his words were in fact hating the will of God, and thus God Himself. True witnesses were almost universally spoken of by the people, with minor exceptions, as false prophets & liars. And, the general population considered their words akin to 'hate speech' with a complete lack of godly 'love'." (cf. Heb. 11:32-37)

I am constantly aware that I might myself be in error, but until I find scripture which voids my findings, I have no option but to speak God's word as I see it.

The big difference between myself and those who disagree with me on the scriptures is this: "I am desirous of searching the scriptures out to see if I am wrong, while all they want to do is call me names." "

That alone should give people a starting clue...now...instead of combing through a list of ad hominums to find the names you want to call me...read Acts 17:11...and follow through.

 
  
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  From:  Jim (pentitent)    2/17/2002 8:52 pm  
To:  Rtartan   (49 of 65)  
 
  309.49 in reply to 309.43  
 
For one who doesn't tolerate the mocking of God, you do a good job. We are called to be serious ambassadors of Christ, not to be the Robin Williams of Christianity. Just as his brand of humor is unacceptable, so is yours. If you're going to be serious about God, do it. If you're not, quit using His name to back your ignorance of what's expected of us. Now this is a rebuke. See, I do have a sense of humor.
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  From:  Jim (pentitent)    2/17/2002 8:54 pm  
To:  Rtartan   (50 of 65)  
 
  309.50 in reply to 309.45  
 
In reading these, I see rebuking and chastisment; but no mockery! Again, show me in verse where God calls on us to mock anyone?
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  From:  Jim (pentitent)    2/17/2002 8:55 pm  
To:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    (51 of 65)  
 
  309.51 in reply to 309.47  
 
I'm 45 and have known Him all my life. How long have you known Him?
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  From:  Rtartan   2/17/2002 9:09 pm  
To:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    (52 of 65)  
 
  309.52 in reply to 309.48  
 
Having just read 2 responses to me and one to you, I can only conclued that the only course to take is to stick him on my delphi powered "ignore" list. 
  
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  From:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    2/17/2002 9:58 pm  
To:  Rtartan   (54 of 65)  
 
  309.54 in reply to 309.52  
 

Having just read 2 responses to me and one to you, I can only conclued that the only course to take is to stick him on my delphi powered "ignore" list.
 

We're both in the same Honda... :)



 

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"No, I do not claim to be a prophet. And, I am not having a persecution complex. Neither am I in emotional need of feeling persecuted. But, I have noticed one thing which I do have in common with the prophets, and apostles, and early Christians.

Throughout history God's true witnesses have been almost universally hated by all, with only a small percentage of the people recognizing their words as truly mirroring God's will. 

Those hating his words were in fact hating the will of God, and thus God Himself. True witnesses were almost universally spoken of by the people, with minor exceptions, as false prophets & liars. And, the general population considered their words akin to 'hate speech' with a complete lack of godly 'love'." (cf. Heb. 11:32-37)

I am constantly aware that I might myself be in error, but until I find scripture which voids my findings, I have no option but to speak God's word as I see it.

The big difference between myself and those who disagree with me on the scriptures is this: "I am desirous of searching the scriptures out to see if I am wrong, while all they want to do is call me names." "

That alone should give people a starting clue...now...instead of combing through a list of ad hominums to find the names you want to call me...read Acts 17:11...and follow through.

 
  
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  From:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    2/17/2002 10:08 pm  
To:  Jim (pentitent)    (55 of 65)  
 
  309.55 in reply to 309.51  
 

I'm 45 and have known Him all my life. How long have you known Him? 
 

Well, I guess that I'll have to admit that you are the first person I've ever met that knew Him as an infant.  That is of course except for the lady that told me about speaking to Him before she was born.

My goodness!...I wasn't even 10 yet when you were born.

Close...but not quite.

Do the world and God a favor...find that sense of humor that got misplaced somewhere.  I don't believe that I have ever met a person quite as humorless as you are.

False piety revolts me.



 

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"No, I do not claim to be a prophet. And, I am not having a persecution complex. Neither am I in emotional need of feeling persecuted. But, I have noticed one thing which I do have in common with the prophets, and apostles, and early Christians.

Throughout history God's true witnesses have been almost universally hated by all, with only a small percentage of the people recognizing their words as truly mirroring God's will. 

Those hating his words were in fact hating the will of God, and thus God Himself. True witnesses were almost universally spoken of by the people, with minor exceptions, as false prophets & liars. And, the general population considered their words akin to 'hate speech' with a complete lack of godly 'love'." (cf. Heb. 11:32-37)

I am constantly aware that I might myself be in error, but until I find scripture which voids my findings, I have no option but to speak God's word as I see it.

The big difference between myself and those who disagree with me on the scriptures is this: "I am desirous of searching the scriptures out to see if I am wrong, while all they want to do is call me names." "

That alone should give people a starting clue...now...instead of combing through a list of ad hominums to find the names you want to call me...read Acts 17:11...and follow through.

 
  
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  From:  Jim (pentitent)    2/18/2002 12:06 am  
To:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    (56 of 65)  
 
  309.56 in reply to 309.55  
 
If false piety revolts you, then you must be very upset with yourself. I notice that either, neither of you have the education to post a verse that admonishes a Christian making light of their ambassadorship, or you realize that their is no such verse in the Bible. 
Job 13:9-10 Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him? He will surely reprove you... 

Proverbs 14:9 Fools make a mock at sin: but among the righteous there is favour. 

The Priests of the Sanhedrin mocked Christ laughing He couldn't save Himself. 

Matthew 27:41  Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said, 

Mark 15:31  Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save. 

Then the soldiers that carried Jesus to Golgotha mocked Him. 

Matthew 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again. 

Is this the same kind of attitude you want to emote, that of those that mocked Christ? 


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  From:  karen (karen10051)   2/18/2002 12:36 pm  
To:  Rtartan   (58 of 65)  
 
  309.58 in reply to 309.57  
 
Shame on you Artie. I admit that i agree with practically nothing Pentitent says...(sorry guy, but you know its true) but this kind of childish bashing and mocking is NOT what we are supposed to be about. This is exactly what happened to me here when i expressed my opinions about DD!! You owe him an apology. If he is humor-impaired, you are called to love him anyway.


  
  
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  From:  Rtartan   2/18/2002 3:31 pm  
To:  karen (karen10051)   (59 of 65)  
 
  309.59 in reply to 309.58  
 
I was not trying to bash him, at least not this time. 
The truth is that he really seems to come by his misunderstandings honestly. A sense of humor tends to be directly related to a persons basic ability to process information. It isn't something I made up to hit him with. 

Ironically, I tend to have more respect for him now, simply because I'm becoming more conviced that he is doing the best he can with what he has.... 

As opposed to others on the group whose ability to understand is really more related to their pride than their lack inate ability.
 
  
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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    2/18/2002 4:12 pm  
To:  Rtartan   (60 of 65)  
 
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Hi Rtartan & Blacksheep,

 

This is your invitation to clean it up or find another forum to post on.

 

It is not at all appreciated that you would put so much time, talent and effort into the mocking of a fellow Christian.

 

Most people here are not going to agree on every aspect of the Bible with one another you should already know that! And you should be using your vast talents to Build up and Support one another not engaging in this ridiculous ridicule.

 

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From:  Rtartan   2/18/2002 4:47 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (61 of 65)  
 
  309.61 in reply to 309.60  
 
Did you read my post? 
Perhaps I should not have said what I did, but having said it, I cannot pretend it isn't true. An unvarnished and unpleasant truth it may be, but true nevertheless. 

(BTW I have *NO* idea what your problem with blacksheep is, he positively pulled his punches in the face of some fairly silly comments. His "God 6.0" is harmless as baby powder.) 

I wasn't kidding then, nor am I kidding now, a person who does the best he can with what God gives them deserves more respect than those who allow themselves to be driven by pride and laziness into unthinking standard opinions. 

I am softening my opinion towards Mr. Pentitent, perhaps in a lefthanded way. Not so for some other members here. 

To be blunt, as I have said before, you are not in a position, morally speaking, to lecture too many here on "cleaning up their act." After all, what I said was at least true from an evidentiary standpoint. You have not been able to make the same claim. 

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  From:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    2/19/2002 5:52 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (62 of 65)  
 
  309.62 in reply to 309.60  
 

It is not at all appreciated that you would put so much time, talent and effort into the mocking of a fellow Christian.
 

But, it was just fine that he criticised and accused me?

What's worse, good natured funnin' or false witness?



 

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  From:  Rtartan   2/19/2002 5:41 pm  
To:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    (63 of 65)  
 
  309.63 in reply to 309.62  
 
<<< It is not at all appreciated that you would put so much time, talent and effort into the mocking of a fellow Christian. 
 
But, it was just fine that he criticised and accused me? 

What's worse, good natured funnin' or false witness?>>> 

Well, Joe, you are a little new here, but bearing false witness tends to be more common here than you might think. To read over the archives, one might think God dropped that one from his "Top Ten." 

For the record, while Mr. Pentitent just doesn't seem to get it, both Karen and I have been on the receiving end of some evil speech from numerous other souls who shall remain nameless, but who seem to be more capable and thus more responsible for their opinions. 

Take a stroll through the now closed "Domestic Discipline" thread, and see for yourself. 

BTW, I loved your "heckler's disclaimer." It is a good read. 

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  From:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    2/19/2002 7:24 pm  
To:  Rtartan   (64 of 65)  
 
  309.64 in reply to 309.63  
 

BTW, I loved your "heckler's disclaimer." It is a good read.
 
Thanks, I just get tired of the same whines over and over again. 


Take a stroll through the now closed "Domestic Discipline" thread, and see for yourself. 
 

That particular subject and I don't get along very well, it might be best if I stayed away from it. I suspect Penitant and I may have similar feelings about that particular subject.



 

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   From:  Rtartan   2/20/2002 8:04 am  
To:  Joseph (BLAKSHEEP)    (65 of 65)  
 
  309.65 in reply to 309.64  
 
 
BTW, I loved your "heckler's disclaimer." It is a good read. 
 
Thanks, I just get tired of the same whines over and over again. 
 
Take a stroll through the now closed "Domestic Discipline" thread, and see for yourself. 
 

<<That particular subject and I don't get along very well, it might be best if I stayed away from it. I suspect Penitant and I may have similar feelings about that particular subject.>> 

All I am saying is that what was happening was not an issue of honest disagreement based on what scripture said, but false witness and personalities. That you might actually agree with Mr. Pentitent is not relevent, I am certain that your disagreement would actually take a rational and Biblical form. I am fairly certain that you would not lie about anyone or engage in deception. 

That is all I am saying. 

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